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[#] Fri Apr 02 2021 08:17:40 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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Easier to keep track of us all on one centralized social media site like Facebook or Twitter than on a million BBSes all exchanging users, information, and ideas. 

 



[#] Fri Apr 02 2021 11:43:43 MST from smashbot64

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Right. That is precisely why I have quit the big blue F.

Moving right along: My work in progress is https://www.smashbot.com

WHICH happens to be my de-centralized corner of the internet. Good thing the internet has lots of corners, like a mandelbrot fractal.

Here's what I have and what I am trying to get to...
Currently, it is all tied together with phpBB. I am working on removing phpBB and using Citadel to tie everything together but first I must learn how to do that.

My goal is to have within the Citadel, a few, but not dozens of forums with active user engagement and participation. Also found within is a pretty feature-rich interet chat room. I will attempt to re-skin the Citadel to resemble C-Base 64 BBS on a Commodore 64. I have all of this working on phpBB right now except the Commodore 64 look and feel. When I figure out the coding to a strong enough degree, I plan to move it all back to Citadel.

Fri Apr 02 2021 08:17:40 MST from "ParanoidDelusions" <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Easier to keep track of us all on one centralized social media site like Facebook or Twitter than on a million BBSes all exchanging users, information, and ideas. 

 



 



[#] Sat Apr 03 2021 07:25:43 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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The hilarious thing is all of their persecution of us was based on the idea that they felt that *our* bullying was driving people from their platform and censoring opposing voices. 

To stop people from bullying and harassing people into being silenced... 

They've bullied and harassed people into silence. 

 

Fri Apr 02 2021 11:43:43 MST from "smashbot64" <smashbot64@secure.wallofhate.com>

Right. That is precisely why I have quit the big blue F.

Moving right along: My work in progress is https://www.smashbot.com

WHICH happens to be my de-centralized corner of the internet. Good thing the internet has lots of corners, like a mandelbrot fractal.

Here's what I have and what I am trying to get to...
Currently, it is all tied together with phpBB. I am working on removing phpBB and using Citadel to tie everything together but first I must learn how to do that.

My goal is to have within the Citadel, a few, but not dozens of forums with active user engagement and participation. Also found within is a pretty feature-rich interet chat room. I will attempt to re-skin the Citadel to resemble C-Base 64 BBS on a Commodore 64. I have all of this working on phpBB right now except the Commodore 64 look and feel. When I figure out the coding to a strong enough degree, I plan to move it all back to Citadel.

Fri Apr 02 2021 08:17:40 MST from "ParanoidDelusions" <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Easier to keep track of us all on one centralized social media site like Facebook or Twitter than on a million BBSes all exchanging users, information, and ideas. 

 



 



 



[#] Sat Apr 03 2021 08:39:14 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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So, I love the layout and look of your BBS. The trouble I find with that particular kind of forum is - it is hard to pick up where you left off and nurture ongoing discussions. That is why I love Citadel. C=64 BBSes were awesome for trading warez - but not the best format for conversations. Citadel is a much more conversation-driven format. 

 

Fri Apr 02 2021 11:43:43 MST from "smashbot64" <smashbot64@secure.wallofhate.com>

Right. That is precisely why I have quit the big blue F.

Moving right along: My work in progress is https://www.smashbot.com

WHICH happens to be my de-centralized corner of the internet. Good thing the internet has lots of corners, like a mandelbrot fractal.

Here's what I have and what I am trying to get to...
Currently, it is all tied together with phpBB. I am working on removing phpBB and using Citadel to tie everything together but first I must learn how to do that.

My goal is to have within the Citadel, a few, but not dozens of forums with active user engagement and participation. Also found within is a pretty feature-rich interet chat room. I will attempt to re-skin the Citadel to resemble C-Base 64 BBS on a Commodore 64. I have all of this working on phpBB right now except the Commodore 64 look and feel. When I figure out the coding to a strong enough degree, I plan to move it all back to Citadel.

Fri Apr 02 2021 08:17:40 MST from "ParanoidDelusions" <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Easier to keep track of us all on one centralized social media site like Facebook or Twitter than on a million BBSes all exchanging users, information, and ideas. 

 



 



 



[#] Sat Apr 03 2021 08:40:08 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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Wait... I may have figured it out. 

I wasn't logged in. :D 

 

Sat Apr 03 2021 08:39:14 MST from "ParanoidDelusions" <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

So, I love the layout and look of your BBS. The trouble I find with that particular kind of forum is - it is hard to pick up where you left off and nurture ongoing discussions. That is why I love Citadel. C=64 BBSes were awesome for trading warez - but not the best format for conversations. Citadel is a much more conversation-driven format. 

 

Fri Apr 02 2021 11:43:43 MST from "smashbot64" <smashbot64@secure.wallofhate.com>

Right. That is precisely why I have quit the big blue F.

Moving right along: My work in progress is https://www.smashbot.com

WHICH happens to be my de-centralized corner of the internet. Good thing the internet has lots of corners, like a mandelbrot fractal.

Here's what I have and what I am trying to get to...
Currently, it is all tied together with phpBB. I am working on removing phpBB and using Citadel to tie everything together but first I must learn how to do that.

My goal is to have within the Citadel, a few, but not dozens of forums with active user engagement and participation. Also found within is a pretty feature-rich interet chat room. I will attempt to re-skin the Citadel to resemble C-Base 64 BBS on a Commodore 64. I have all of this working on phpBB right now except the Commodore 64 look and feel. When I figure out the coding to a strong enough degree, I plan to move it all back to Citadel.

Fri Apr 02 2021 08:17:40 MST from "ParanoidDelusions" <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Easier to keep track of us all on one centralized social media site like Facebook or Twitter than on a million BBSes all exchanging users, information, and ideas. 

 



 



 



 



[#] Tue Apr 06 2021 19:51:24 MST from smashbot64

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sometimes i am a little dense at identifying sarcasm. Sarcastic or not, I know that my efforts are a peashooter against a goliath with the indie bbs model vs Fecesbook solution. I do know that without original content, no matter how demure or mundane (or downright ridiculous), Fecesbook would fail. I am only one person and the withdrawal of my input from their system just removes my thoughts and ideas from the chasm. HOWEVER, I still have the thoughts and ideas, and I'm sure others do, from all the years of running a BBS. Here are some truths:

It's not about a cable tv provider being better than a satellite provider, or better than a streaming "provider", 
the product people are seeking is the CONTENT. The programming. The transport does not matter. No one cares if their daughter watched frozen on Dish or Spectrum or Time Warner or Optimum or Amazon Prime or DirecTV, they only care if the kid got to see the movie. Who cares how it got there.

It's not about the message board software or the social media platform that is the transport that ideas are exchanged,  it is the messages and ideas and rants and ruminations that come from the human input, the ant farm that is being cultivated to generate original CONTENT for these networks like Fecesbook. 

I will do my part that makes me happier. I will still spew my own content onto the web 20 goto 10, but I will 
provide the venue. My friends and foes can use it too. The only content that will be harvested will be by smarter bots, and even they have to take what we say out of context, because, thats what they do. They pass butter.

 



[#] Tue Apr 06 2021 20:00:41 MST from smashbot64

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ParnoidDelusions.... my memory in my own brain is worse off than non-ecc or mfm formatted floppies. 

Were you a bbs user on The Valley (c64 thing)? For some reason I remember seeing sAnAtArIuM or something similar in the userlog, but the last i ran it on telnet was 2016 or so when my ex wife smashed my commodore hardware because she is satans little sister and that's another story, but are you the same person?

 

 



[#] Tue Apr 06 2021 20:52:19 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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No sarcasm here. You sound a lot like me. I call publishing content on Hatebook "Feeding the monster," and I believe that is exactly what it is. When I quit, they *begged* me to come back in e-mail - and since then, I've been abusive as FUCK to them when I do go back, and dared them to give me a lifetime ban, and tagged them, and they just whistled and looked at their shoes. 

Because they see how much traffic I generate - how many clicks happen when I'm on - and they understand the economic impact of just THAT loss - let alone thousands of us, or millions, or hundreds of millions. And this is how we get a mass exodus going - alone, we're insignificant - but their algorithm understands what happens if we start pulling away our content and their users start following us. It is like the Pied Piper. And they've seen it happen before - to Myspace. To Digg. 

Facebook is not too big to fail. That is why they've banned my URL - first as a hate site, then when I bitched about it to Ted Cruz, as "spam". 

Tue Apr 06 2021 19:51:24 MST from "smashbot64" <smashbot64@secure.wallofhate.com>

sometimes i am a little dense at identifying sarcasm. Sarcastic or not, I know that my efforts are a peashooter against a goliath with the indie bbs model vs Fecesbook solution. I do know that without original content, no matter how demure or mundane (or downright ridiculous), Fecesbook would fail. I am only one person and the withdrawal of my input from their system just removes my thoughts and ideas from the chasm. HOWEVER, I still have the thoughts and ideas, and I'm sure others do, from all the years of running a BBS. Here are some truths:

It's not about a cable tv provider being better than a satellite provider, or better than a streaming "provider", 
the product people are seeking is the CONTENT. The programming. The transport does not matter. No one cares if their daughter watched frozen on Dish or Spectrum or Time Warner or Optimum or Amazon Prime or DirecTV, they only care if the kid got to see the movie. Who cares how it got there.

It's not about the message board software or the social media platform that is the transport that ideas are exchanged,  it is the messages and ideas and rants and ruminations that come from the human input, the ant farm that is being cultivated to generate original CONTENT for these networks like Fecesbook. 

I will do my part that makes me happier. I will still spew my own content onto the web 20 goto 10, but I will 
provide the venue. My friends and foes can use it too. The only content that will be harvested will be by smarter bots, and even they have to take what we say out of context, because, thats what they do. They pass butter.

 



 



[#] Tue Apr 06 2021 20:54:06 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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It is possible. The original The Sanitarium BBS was also called The Amiga Archives. It was a 916 (Sacramento) BBS. I went by Metallica, Paranoid Delusions, The Walkin' Dude and Flexible Moralities. The Valley does sound familiar. But, I generally only leeched on Commodore boards. The message forums on Menu drive C-64 BBSes drove me nuts compared to Citadel. They were awkward to navigate and full of teh W@r3z D00Dz! 

 

Tue Apr 06 2021 20:00:41 MST from "smashbot64" <smashbot64@secure.wallofhate.com>

ParnoidDelusions.... my memory in my own brain is worse off than non-ecc or mfm formatted floppies. 

Were you a bbs user on The Valley (c64 thing)? For some reason I remember seeing sAnAtArIuM or something similar in the userlog, but the last i ran it on telnet was 2016 or so when my ex wife smashed my commodore hardware because she is satans little sister and that's another story, but are you the same person?

 

 



 



[#] Wed Apr 07 2021 19:26:51 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

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I spent a solid afternoon looking for a way to become an official holon (see previous post) and apparently the only attempt anyone has made at establishing this system visible to the public was at a hacker convention a few years back. Fair enough, the book Freedom(TM) had hackers as the original creators.

Blogging was a web-based BBS system for a while, sort of. People would login to each other's blogs on WordPress or Blogger and post and chat and such. But it was post-centric as opposed to subject room-centric. WordPress has a framework to combine the experiences or at least run them side by side. Forum systems and things like that. But anything open to the web is going to botted for link farming, which makes Citadel a better closed system if you don't to hire an admin. The Barrett Firearms forums were a treasure trove of information but got hijacked by Russian spammers selling drugs and brides. It was tragic. They nuked them from orbit instead of letting me fix them when I was their SEO contractor. :(

Anyway, I think I'm going to start a blog for public exposure with an attached BBS for the more dedicated members. That's probably the best way to hybridize the potential of both systems for what I'm trying to accomplish here.

I want people to be able to visit me in VR on my website using bleeding edge technology that I think is just a few months away. I just can't manage to believe it's not possible. Getting a camera array pointed at my face with a stitching algorithm that live-updates a 3D model for live-streaming. I could be the VR real estate agent for all the retirees on the other side of the Puget Sound. 



[#] Thu Apr 08 2021 21:15:41 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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I wrote several long replies - and each time I saved, it said it wouldn't post an empty message. 

Not sure what is going on with Citadel - but there are some bugs in the chickenscratch, at the moment. 

A blog/BBS combo is a great way to go. 

The VR website with a virtual Wangiss Headroom is probably do-able right now. It would be expensive, and there aren't enough users out there to make it practical. But... someone has to be the loss-leader on this trailblazing path! :D 


The Samsung Gear VR glass had a virtual community - one of the apps, you could walk around a big empty area and just draw 3D art that floated in the air. It was surreal and absolutely fantastic. It reminded me a LOT of being on early BBSes in the 80s. For some reason - it isn't catching on though. I think people are too stupid now to appreciate how incredible the concept is. That is - now that everyone is on technology - the technology caters to the lowest common denominators. Back in the 70s and 80s, it had to appeal to the most forward thinking. 

The most forward thinking still have DREAMS, and they're the ones inventing the stuff - but they have to dumb it down now - because the average target demographic is a mouth-breather. It'll fail if you target it at the technological sophistication of a traditional user. 



Wed Apr 07 2021 19:26:51 MSTfrom "Wangiss" <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

I spent a solid afternoon looking for a way to become an official holon (see previous post) and apparently the only attempt anyone has made at establishing this system visible to the public was at a hacker convention a few years back. Fair enough, the book Freedom(TM) had hackers as the original creators.

Blogging was a web-based BBS system for a while, sort of. People would login to each other's blogs on WordPress or Blogger and post and chat and such. But it was post-centric as opposed to subject room-centric. WordPress has a framework to combine the experiences or at least run them side by side. Forum systems and things like that. But anything open to the web is going to botted for link farming, which makes Citadel a better closed system if you don't to hire an admin. The Barrett Firearms forums were a treasure trove of information but got hijacked by Russian spammers selling drugs and brides. It was tragic. They nuked them from orbit instead of letting me fix them when I was their SEO contractor. :(

Anyway, I think I'm going to start a blog for public exposure with an attached BBS for the more dedicated members. That's probably the best way to hybridize the potential of both systems for what I'm trying to accomplish here.

I want people to be able to visit me in VR on my website using bleeding edge technology that I think is just a few months away. I just can't manage to believe it's not possible. Getting a camera array pointed at my face with a stitching algorithm that live-updates a 3D model for live-streaming. I could be the VR real estate agent for all the retirees on the other side of the Puget Sound. 



 



[#] Sat Apr 10 2021 21:04:26 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

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Building this new computer is really inspiring me. I feel like running another computer I can SSH into from a beefy one is going to be very empowering and magical for BBSing. Having a headless Pi sitting there accepting visitors from across the galaxy will be fantastic. Only thing that worries me is, as I mentioned above, holon communities are hacker territory. I'm not at all convinced that I can hack-proof a Pi or my home network it's connected to if I'm deliberately inviting people of colorful backgrounds.