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[#] Sun May 02 2021 20:16:56 MST from Jerry Moore

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Hey! Back in the day, I'd have a new room and called it Urban Fantasy and then moved these last few messages to it.



[#] Sun May 02 2021 20:47:16 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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The whole vampires and werewolves thing seems like something that came after the high fantasy wave of the late 70s to the mid 80s. The late 80s, early 90s, Vampires and werewolves were coming back into vogue - and I never really cared for it. There is this whole goth element to that genre that I never cared for. The Matrix had a heavy dose of this - and it is a "raver/club scene" related thing, too. 

I'm a wizards and dragons kind of guy too... but I'm really more of the mercenary adventurer sort. I don't want to be a paladin, or even a knight. I'm a sellsword... a fighter... As a wizard I'm just sort of... I don't role play my wizards - They're generally an extension of me. I usually play a wizard and a magic-user/fighter so that I can use the MU/Fighter as a shield for my wizard. Lots of DMs figure this out and screw with that plan. But a wizard is vulnerable if he doesn't have a loyal warrior covering his 6. 

Animated series are good for their niche audiences - but even with the current anime fandom that is huge - there isn't the momentum to be really large with this medium - especially a Western anime. Most of the current fandoms of anime art are really kids who are just fascinated with Japan and Japanese culture. Most of them don't really have an appreciation for anime as a historical cartoon art forum - like, they have zero interest in anything predating Akira. It is weird. It would be interesting to see how Holly Justman feels about this - if she shares this observation - but things like Sailor Moon, Star Rangers, G-Force and Speed Racer - the current crop of anime fans have zero interest in these shows - even their original Japanese dubbed versions. 

Nintendo has been a terrible influence on generations after mine - in my opinion. The things they are interested in almost all entirely have some sort of link to Nintendo and maybe to a lesser extent Sony. 

Their vision of Japanese culture and Japanese animation comes to them solely from their experiences with video game consoles that are heavy on Japanese titles. That is where their love for the genre was spawned - mostly. 

 

 

Sun May 02 2021 20:12:54 MST from Jerry Moore

Jim Butcher has said that there is another TV series in the works, and if it comes to be, he will have more control over the production than the last time, when he was a constant but they didn't listen to him in the end he walked from it. A lot of the fans, myself included, would like to see it done as an animated series with an anime style. That way you don't have to worry about the cost special effects or balky actors. He would still need iron-fisted control, and it might fail in the end. Too many egos in Hollyweird.

My take on the first TV show is that it was a good thing because it brought a lot of us into the fan group, where we discovered the novels. The series only vaguely resembles the first few novels, and would have been better off if they had changed the name entirely, although then I might never have read the novels, since I don't care for Urban Fantasy in general, and my other favorites aren't liked by many other fans. I like Naomi Novik's Temeraire series, but the flowery British tone of the text puts some people off. Another of my favorites is the Kitty Norville, the vampire DJ series by Carrie Vaughn. That has more fans among the DF folks, but they are into a lot of other series that don't impress me. I'm more into Wizards and Dragons than vampires and the like. I only picked up the Kitty Norville books on a whim and because of a cover, and found them to be interesting, and sort of Dresden lite. I loved the idea of a Christian dude getting turned into a vampire and refusing to give up his faith. Kitty is a Werewolf who was turned against her will.



 



[#] Sun May 02 2021 21:18:52 MST from Jerry Moore

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There have been a couple of anime-like productions that have been popular with some Dresden fans. I don't remember what they were, but they came from one of the big producers of shows. I'll drop in on the fan groups on FarceBook and get the references there. I think that most of the DF fans will get onboard, if they stick to doing the actual novels, and they'll be accessible through the fan groups.



[#] Sun May 02 2021 22:40:42 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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I can see how the Dresden fanbase would be good with an anime adaptation. But, I think it would be unlikely to reach a mainstream audience. Even studio Ghibly struggles outside of the core anime audience. Most of the world, especially the US, doesn't understand anime as an art form for telling complex stories, unfortunately. 

 

Sun May 02 2021 21:18:52 MST from Jerry Moore

There have been a couple of anime-like productions that have been popular with some Dresden fans. I don't remember what they were, but they came from one of the big producers of shows. I'll drop in on the fan groups on FarceBook and get the references there. I think that most of the DF fans will get onboard, if they stick to doing the actual novels, and they'll be accessible through the fan groups.



 



[#] Mon May 03 2021 14:30:07 MST from Jerry Moore

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Messages cropped from a discussion on Facebook 40 weeks ago:

 

Chris Petit

I know Jim would love to see an anime version. As he puts it, it costs no more to blow up a city in anime than to blow up a building.  I'd be on board if they used the Castlevania style from Netflix --- brooding and dark.


Christ Schlacta

Would love it to get the HBO treatment.  And I don't mean copious nudity, though there are a few scenes a season that that might work, mostly with the white court and the fae.  No, I mean the whole one-to-two books a season thing.  There are definitely some books that don't make a whole season, and some that definitely do.


James A Miller

I would like to see it done as an anime or in that style or possibly in the style of Batman the Animated series.


Jerry Moore

Rob Cromack : I loved Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy, although I had friends who considered themselves to be trufans of Tolkien, and hated it for leaving out the older, first age people, although I figured that would add at least another whole movie. I missed them, myself, but thought it was well done anyway. Then again, I loved the TV Dresden Files show, and just accepted it as an alternate universe. For series that barely lasted one season, I also recommend Special Unit Two as vaguely similar to the Dresdenverse. Magic is real! 😂💖


Joseph Harris

I want a cartoon, like Gargoyles.


Amber Richter Ferguson

Joseph Harris I actually agree. A well done cartoon series won’t have us all having to pick apart graphics or suspend disbelief. And we don’t have to think so hard about is this actor right or wrong for the characters that are being portayed.

 



[#] Mon May 03 2021 15:23:36 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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I'm trying to think of a single adult cartoon done in a dramatic style with a Western plot device - on a major cable or streaming network that has had any audience - and I can't think of one. We've accepted comedies like Bojack Horseman. But the realm of cartoon adventure/escapist fiction - is still dominated by products and franchises aimed at children and adolescents. Which is too bad. I think a lot of properties would benefit from cartoon treatment - although even then - the tendency to want to cater to SJW sensibilities just seems *huge* within the genre as a whole. They've got to fit a Latino, a black, a transgender, a strong lead woman with body positive attitude, and a white straight male archtype who is a bumbling buffoon who would not survive except for the diversity of the people who look out for him despite his attempts to destroy himself. 


Then the call it "subversive" when it is the plot of every other title like this out there at the moment. I just sort of dread whenever I hear one of my favorite properties is getting translated to cinema, lately. 


You mean, "butchered for the cause of tolerance and diversity into a story not remotely like the source material..." is usually what it means. 

It is really a shame. I wouldn't mind series that had these topics that were designed of whole cloth to appeal to those groups. Their constant appropriation and re-imagining of properties that are not like this is annoying. Especially as they complain about being gate-kept from these genres. 

If you're being gate-kept - how do we keep letting you *steal* and ruin the properties that WE care about, which you then abandon, too?!? 



 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 22:56:38 MST from Jerry Moore

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I never saw Castlvania on Netflix, but a lot of Dresden fans seem to like it. I have nothing much more to say in that regard, but I do agree with you about the SJW movement destroying everything it touches. Influential people behind it are mostly Marxists, and it's their goal to erase and destroy our entire society. I'm amazed they got this far, but I figure that if they succeed, humanity will rise to another rich Capitalist nation again. I'm just not sure how long it will take 



[#] Wed May 05 2021 06:37:53 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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I just want to survive it long enough to see the people who got what they wanted get what they deserve. ;) 

 

Tue May 04 2021 22:56:38 MST from Jerry Moore

I never saw Castlvania on Netflix, but a lot of Dresden fans seem to like it. I have nothing much more to say in that regard, but I do agree with you about the SJW movement destroying everything it touches. Influential people behind it are mostly Marxists, and it's their goal to erase and destroy our entire society. I'm amazed they got this far, but I figure that if they succeed, humanity will rise to another rich Capitalist nation again. I'm just not sure how long it will take 



 



[#] Wed May 05 2021 23:44:13 MST from Jerry Moore

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Actually, I'm pretty sure that the series of novels will outlive me! I know that Jim had the whole series planned out by the time he was writing the second book. Even had names for the novels in advance. You'll notice that they are all two words of the same length. I'll try to leave a list of all the ones out so far. His story is that he wrote the first one for a writing class, and when she read it, she told him that it would sell, and asked for a plot summary. She meant for the second book, but he thought she meant the whole series, and presented her with the outline for a twenty-three book series at the next class meeting. There have been a couple of glitches along the way, and it has grown to a twenty-two book series with an apocalyptic trilogy at the end, for a total of twenty-five books! I think there are seventeen out now, so it may be another eight years, if he manages a book a year. He's currently writing the second book in another series, so it could be longer.



[#] Thu May 06 2021 07:24:32 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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I can't understand how people are able to put that much work out, and keep it cohesive. Writing a single book is an insane challenge. 

 

Wed May 05 2021 23:44:13 MST from Jerry Moore

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the series of novels will outlive me! I know that Jim had the whole series planned out by the time he was writing the second book. Even had names for the novels in advance. You'll notice that they are all two words of the same length. I'll try to leave a list of all the ones out so far. His story is that he wrote the first one for a writing class, and when she read it, she told him that it would sell, and asked for a plot summary. She meant for the second book, but he thought she meant the whole series, and presented her with the outline for a twenty-three book series at the next class meeting. There have been a couple of glitches along the way, and it has grown to a twenty-two book series with an apocalyptic trilogy at the end, for a total of twenty-five books! I think there are seventeen out now, so it may be another eight years, if he manages a book a year. He's currently writing the second book in another series, so it could be longer.



 



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